Sighting

Gordon Claridge 10 Apr 2016

Tiny spider - immature member of Theridiidae

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Sighted 7 Apr 2016
12 Outlook Cres, Vinegar Hill QLD 4343, Australia

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  • Ken Walker 11 April 2016
    Theridiidae
    (family)
    Taxonomy: Animalia: Arthropoda: Arachnida: Araneae: Theridiidae
    Ken Walker says

    ID by Volker Framenau. It is an immature he said.

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  • Liz O'Donnell 26 January 2017
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    Liz O'Donnell says

    Just curious... what about Deliochus pulcher melanius?

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  • Ellura Sanctuary 10 April 2016
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    Ellura Sanctuary says

    I'm leaning more to tangled web (Theridiidae) The eye arrangement (good job on that by the way) is closer I think and the patterns are quite reminiscent of a red-back (it's definitely not a red-back). But I can't find anything close, which makes me suspect it's juvenile. But I'm not at all sure. I think Araneidae is still a strong contender. I was just looking at these the other day (looks like a complex to me) http://www.arachne.org.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=1702 The 2nd picture down has (marked "Female North Stradbroke Island") very similar (but much more vivid) pattern to yours. Using a lot of imagination and considering a lot of change from young to adult (plus yours is tiny in comparison). Cheers Brett

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  • Gordon Claridge 11 April 2016
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    Gordon Claridge says

    Thanks to Ken Walker and Brett (Ellura Sanctuary) for the ID. Thanks too to Brett for sharing his thoughts on possible alternative IDs. I love chewing over these kinds of comments, not only because they are interesting in themselves, but because it's a real learning experience to tease it out. I'm sure others will feel the same way.

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  • Reiner Richter 11 April 2016
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    Reiner Richter says

    Well done Brett - all those technical things you observed!

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  • Gordon Claridge 27 May 2017
    Gordon Claridge says

    I just came back to this post (been away for a few weeks) and followed up on Liz O'Donnell's suggestion of Deliochus pulcher melanius. There is an entry for this species on Arachne now (http://www.arachne.org.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=1891) and the photos there suggest to me that this could well be the correct ID. I checked with Robert Whyte for his view on this and he responded that the genus is correct (i.e. Deliochus) but that he wouldn't go to species on any Deliochus because of the state of the taxonomy. Unless someone can present a strong counter argument I will put it up as Deliochus sp.

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  • Ellura Sanctuary 11 April 2016
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    Ellura Sanctuary says

    Thanks Ken & Volker for solving this riddle. I have to admit a certain glow of satisfaction. But I was even happier to hear that Gordon enjoyed my mutterings on the matter. I find discovering important / diagnostic elements of species through conversation is a most rewarding, enjoyable & personable endeavour. Thanks Gordon :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's even more exciting is that this record now goes into Atlas as a verified record of a juvenile tangle web spider and other's that find it will learn and, in time will, discover what species it is. Brilliant :-)

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