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Reiner Richter 17 May 2019

End of an era?

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Sighted 17 May 2019
Australia

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  • Kate Sandiford 20 May 2019
    Tagged With noah's ark
    Kate Sandiford says

    1. Agree with all the sentiments others have said about the demise of Bowerbird. I will vote up all of you when there is time... 2. As Ken Walker and Reiner say it is not possible to keep Bowerbird running... 3. Meanwhile, something extraordinary is happening. This afternoon I watched Irene Richardson's 500 plus records get "arked" over to iNaturalist. If you log in to the link I'm about to paste it's now Dave Akers records which are being processed. 4. Here is the link: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&subview=grid&verifiable=any&field:Bowerbird%20URL= 5. Once "arked" to iNaturalist they need multiple agreed IDs to get forwarded to ALA and that is already happening but the Bowerbird community can help bump that up.

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  • Irene Richardson 20 May 2019
    Tagged With inaturalist
    Irene Richardson says

    Thanks for that valuable information, Simon.

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  • Jenny Holmes 17 May 2019
    Tagged With :(
    Jenny Holmes says

    This is very sad. I have enjoyed BowerBird immensely. Thank you Ken Walker and thank you to the Citizen Scientists who have helped me identify species. I will really miss this website.

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  • Kate Sandiford 22 May 2019
    Kate Sandiford says

    Hi Anna, I'm glad you've decided to join the move to iNaturalist and I hope the responses here get you over the hurdle of joining. I've been watching the transfer closely and monitoring potential problems such as taxonomic issues (on Bowerbird, species lists couldn't be updated and some were missing). So far, the iNaturalist community has been very helpful with our transferred Bowerbird records. Folks we don’t yet know are updating the species that we couldn't. Your problem was ducks – most of the Anatidae were missing – yes a big problem! I know you know the southern ducks and so do I. So, in preparation, I’m going ID all your Wood Ducks, Teal etc. back to family level on Bowerbird. And I’ll join you on the other side to get them up to species level (although I suspect there a hoard of birders who will jump in first). Okay?

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  • Irene Richardson 21 May 2019
    Tagged With bowerbird project
    Irene Richardson says

    Yes, my BowerBird records were transferred last night and Scott sent a link via email to track the progress which I think went without a hitch. Amazing technology! It was so good to have a welcome from Matthew saying that he had started a Project for BowerBird users. I joined immediately and found some BowerBird friends already there.

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  • Kate Sandiford 21 May 2019
    Tagged With anna lanigan
    Kate Sandiford says

    My understanding is that you have so many records that iNaturalist will provide an assisted migration via this pathway: " If this is of interest to you or if know someone well who might be interested send/have them send an email to help@inaturalist.org with the name of the iNaturalist account (make one if your don’t already have one), the name of the Bowerbird account, and confirmation that you’d like help moving observations."

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  • Ken Walker 20 May 2019
    Tagged With thanks all
    Ken Walker says

    Friendships made out of BowerBird is one of its greatest assets and strengths and for me will be its legacy.

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  • Anna Lanigan 22 May 2019
    Tagged With please help
    Anna Lanigan says

    Can we get some instructions place somewhere so we know what to do. I just tried and failed to join iNaturalist. I'm not the sharpest tack in the IT toolbox so always new this would be a struggle. I'm so sad to be losing contact with my 3450 sightings and agree with others in a plea ...is there no way we can archive this precious resource. If I am admitted to iNaturalist how do I give the OK to transfer my sightings. I've seen others have had data moved across. How can I make this happen please????

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  • Irene Richardson 18 May 2019
    Tagged With bowerbird
    Irene Richardson says

    Being able to communicate with the people on BowerBird, sharing in your vast knowledge and being amazed at the photography has been an awesome three years for me! Thank you Ken for creating the website. I will so miss BowerBird!

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  • Kate Sandiford 21 May 2019
    Tagged With inaturalist needs id
    Kate Sandiford says

    There was funny moment on iNaturalist today when Karen Retra's Blue-banded Bees turned into snakes. Turned out to be a bug in the handling of Bowerbird records without identifications. iNaturalist staff member @loarie has fixed that now and those records are going in as unknown. Looking at them, many have titles or descriptions which shows the observer knows the group at least to Order. If you are waiting in the queue for automated transfer and have time please look at your 'needs ID' records.

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  • Scott R Loarie 22 May 2019
    Tagged With instructions
    Scott R Loarie says

    Hi Anna Lanigan, this is Scott from iNaturalist. I've been helping folks with the 'assisted migration' to iNaturalist. I've put together a brief document on 'Getting Started with iNaturalist for Bowerbird Users' which includes 'Part 1: Making an iNaturalist account & requesting ‘Migration Assistance’ from iNaturalist' in PDF form: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9a6z1mz5uqfgede/Getting%20Started%20with%20iNaturalist%20for%20Bowerbird%20Users.pdf?dl=0 And Google Doc form: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vl1RQ_e-PwsTzoCUhen7zwfc4TfNORqpci1MGdtSmG4/edit?usp=sharing I hope this helps. Also don't hesitate to email help@inaturalist.org with any questions

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  • Matthew Connors 18 May 2019
    Tagged With goodbye bowerbird
    Matthew Connors says

    Very sad to hear about the site shutting down - in the past two and a half years on here I've learnt an incredible amount from everyone and I've met some wonderful people. Thanks everyone for sharing your knowledge and your sightings, and thanks especially to Ken Walker for his dedication to the site and all of the work he's put in. Bowerbird will be missed greatly

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  • Ellura Sanctuary 17 May 2019
    Tagged With tragic
    Ellura Sanctuary says

    It's tragic, if only it could remain as read only for reference, etc, at the least :-(

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  • Robert Read 19 May 2019
    Tagged With bugle
    Robert Read says

    A great loss. Thanks Ken for your efforts over the years. This has been a very useful website.

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  • Graham Winterflood 17 May 2019
    Tagged With .
    Graham Winterflood says

    Ken Walker deserves a medal for the amount of work he has put into BowerBird, and for bringing the scientific world into the homes of citizens all over Australia. It will be a great shame if all of the data that has been generated disappears at the flick of a switch.

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  • Kate Sandiford 20 May 2019
    Tagged With noah's ark
    Kate Sandiford says

    Correction: you don't need to log in to watch the transfer to iNaturalist (https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&subview=grid&verifiable=any&field:Bowerbird%20URL=). I think the speed at which this "rescue" is proceeding is a tribute to Ken Walker's original idea.

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  • Donna Tomkinson 22 May 2019
    Tagged With anna.
    Donna Tomkinson says

    Anna, I saw your comment where you are having trouble, this is what I did. First, I made an account on iNaturalist, I had to try 3 times as it kept saying my username was already taken. Then, I sent an email to help@inaturalist.org saying I have a Bowerbird account & would like help to move my sightings over please. I told them the name I made my new account in and the name of my old one. In the subject line I just put 'to Loarie from Bowerbird user'. Hope this helps.

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  • Reiner Richter 17 May 2019
    Tagged With rip
    Reiner Richter says

    Every user should read Ken's final BowerBird Bugle: https://researchdata.museum.vic.gov.au/BowerBird_Bugle/Edition_60.pdf

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  • Anna Lanigan 21 May 2019
    Tagged With devastated
    Anna Lanigan says

    I'm so sorry. Feel as though I've been on another planet and wish I'd known about this on Sunday when I wore the BOWERBIRD hat at a Citizen Science Event in Moonee Valley. Will search through my emails to find notification of our demise or is it very sudden, Now I'm really not sure how to keep track of my projects. Fortunately I do have all my photos in folders albeit reduced to small files for the upload to Bowerbird. So now what. I've used my project sightings to teach children in schools and to lobby for funding, to ra so now guess there is no point. Please if an email was sent can you resend it. Ken thank you for your inspiration. I can still remember that magic moment in the Craigieburn Camera Club meeting when as I said at the time "you made all the planets line up". I'll miss you all.

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  • Gordon Claridge 20 May 2019
    Tagged With inaturalist
    Gordon Claridge says

    Thanks Simon. That's good to know about getting help to transfer records across to iNaturalist. However my main concern is for the Project: Lockyer Valley Biodiversity which pulls together a lot of people's observations. I have put most of them in on behalf of others, but Glenda Walter has added a lot of her own. It would be very nice to be able to move this across to iNaturalist, but I assume that the multiple ownership would make it nigh on impossible. Any ideas?

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  • Matthew Connors 20 May 2019
    Tagged With inaturalist project
    Matthew Connors says

    For those moving over to iNaturalist, I've made a project for the transferred sightings (and so we can keep in contact after Bowerbird is gone!) at https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/bowerbird

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  • Rose Robin 17 May 2019
    Tagged With bugle
    Rose Robin says

    Devastating!!! But huge thanks to Ken Walker for everything he's done to provide the opportunity to become a citizen scientist...and also many thanks to all Bowerbird scientists who have identified so many creatures over the years. Wish there was a way to keep Bowerbird going.

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  • Anna Lanigan 23 May 2019
    Tagged With thanks everyone
    Anna Lanigan says

    Green light given for transfer of my files across to annalanigan on iNaturalist. See you all on the other side.

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  • Irene Richardson 22 May 2019
    Tagged With inaturalist user name
    Irene Richardson says

    Hi Anna, I have an account with iNaturalist. You need a user name that is lower case and has no spaces. Mine is irene_r and my password has 8 letters, two of which are capitals. I emailed my request to have BowerBird records transferred and it couldn't have been easier. I was even able to track them via a link thanks to Scott Loariie. I'm still learning about the new site and as yet haven't uploaded any new sightings - but - if you want to email me for moral support, please do. irener@tpg.com.au

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  • Rose Robin 20 May 2019
    Tagged With facebook friends
    Rose Robin says

    Hi all, still reeling from the shock of knowing this wonderful website won't be here forever as it should be. As Janet Grevillea said, it's been wonderful and a little reassuring looking at Bowerbird in these times of shrinking habitats and number of species. So good to be here with so many intelligent, thinking people who love this beautiful country of ours, and act to help preserve the animals and plants here on our small part of Planet Earth. Rather than lose contact, is anyone interested in becoming Facebook friends? My Facebook profile is Dee Petersen, and I have a Rose Robin page running off that one. Again, heartfelt thanks to Ken for the magnificent job he has done in creating and maintaining Bowerbird, and to everyone who has posted, and/or identified my photos. All the very best for the future, and I hope to see lots of Bowerbird friends on Facebook. And I won't stop hoping that somehow Bowerbird will be saved and continue...anyone know any wealthy philanthropists???

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  • Gordon Claridge 19 May 2019
    Tagged With bugle
    Gordon Claridge says

    Ken, this is very sad news. Have sent you an email expressing my gratitude for all you have done for science and the users of Bowerbird. It has been a wonderful experience and you have created a very effective model that others with more resources can use. One question: is there any way that users can download their records?

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  • Simon Ong 19 May 2019
    Tagged With inaturalist
    Simon Ong says

    iNaturalist staff member 'loarie' has posted on their community forum an offer of assistance to get Bowerbird members who will wind up with orphaned records when Bowerbird goes down. "We’re very sad to hear about Bowerbird. Thats good that most of the data has been archived at ALA. We’re also happy if iNaturalist can provide a home for any of the Bowerbird community who’d like to keep being a part of a naturalist community and posting observations into the future as Ken suggested. Unlike ALA, iNaturalist isn’t a good place to archive orphaned Bowerbird observations. But we’d be happy to help Bowerbird community members get up and running on iNaturalist if that means help moving over their own observations from Bowerbird to iNaturalist. If this is of interest to you or if know someone well who might be interested send/have them send an email to help@inaturalist.org with the name of the iNaturalist account (make one if your don’t already have one), the name of the Bowerbird account, and confirmation that you’d like help moving observations. Two caveats: (1) please only do so if you have enough observations that it would be difficult to move them manually (lets say >100). (2) please only do so if you haven’t already posted many (lets say >10) of the Bowerbird observations to iNaturalist on your own to avoid duplication issues that would be difficult to clean up manually (unless there’s some super easy way of sorting not-already-posted ones). I did a quick check of the top Bowerbird users with over 100 observations: User Name: #Observations Graeme Cocks: 8003 Ken Harris: 6626 Reiner Richter: 4647 Adam Edmonds: 3716 David Akers: 3674 Anna Lanigan: 3540 Martin Lagerwey: 2726 Rose Robin: 2564 Linda Rogan: 2545 Matthew Connors: 2441 Tamara Leitch: 2067 Daniel Heald: 2033 Judy & Rob Peters: 1633 Geoff Lotton: 1528 Matt Campbell: 1386 David Mules: 1378 Glenda Walter: 1369 Tony Eales: 1302 Ken Walker: 1231 Laurence Sanders: 1154 Jeannie: 1136 John Eichler: 1079 Carol Page: 941 Teresa and John: 863 Jenny Thynne: 862 Ron Greer: 781 Rog Standen: 779 Simon Ong: 766 Lek: 760 Dianne Clarke: 736 Tony D.: 723 Ken Walker: 675 Dacre England: 655 Jenny Holmes: 627 Luis Mata: 589 Joshua Holden: 586 Gippsland Lakes - Mountain to the Sea: 577 Suzanne Jones: 564 Bryan Henshaw: 540 Irene Richardson: 529 Erica Siegel: 512 Ellura Sanctuary: 502 Kim Tarpey: 467 Leuba Ridgway: 458 David Rentz: 456 Jade Craven: 418 Liz O’Donnell: 417 City of Melbourne: 390 Geoff Boyes: 371 Gio Fitzpatrick: 370 Dianne: 343 Gordon Claridge: 341 Zac Billingham: 334 Robert Bender: 328 Mitch Smith: 326 Graham Winterflood: 303 Jean and Fred Hort: 282 Janet Grevillea: 278 Frank Pierce: 273 Frank Prinz: 272 Andrew Allen: 262 Steve Young: 255 Russell Stanley: 254 Kerry Stuart: 241 Mark Ridgway: 237 David Francis: 236 Mark Newton: 234 Beth Shaw: 223 Graham & Maree Goods: 213 Joan Hales: 207 Donna Tomkinson: 206 Hermit: 204 Marc Newman: 199 Tom Nataprawira: 190 Karen Retra: 188 Lily Kumpe: 184 Rosie Benz: 175 Faye Arcaro: 172 Teale Britstra: 169 Michael Bedingfield: 164 Isaac Wilson: 164 John Read: 156 Alison Pearson: 155 Russell Best: 155 Manu Saunders: 152 Sam Weedon: 151 Dane Wimbush: 148 Peter Marriott: 142 Ernst : 142 Geoff Walker: 139 Ethan Beaver: 133 Euan Moore: 132 Julie: 132 Cathy Powers: 131 Nina Franceschi Eason: 130 Val Ryland: 130 Robert Read: 129 Clare McLellan: 125 Nick Porch: 123 Peter Kerr: 116 Torbjorn von Strokirch: 114 UQ volunteers: 113 Gayl Sullivan: 111 Alan Melville: 111 Kristi Ellingsen: 109 Richard HARTLAND: 109 Sabine T Perrone: 109 Robin Corringham: 108 Wilma McNabb: 103"

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  • Reiner Richter 20 May 2019
    Tagged With saving data
    Reiner Richter says

    I have a possible solution for the potential loss of all BowerBird data when the servers are taken offline. It is relatively easy to grab ALL relevant observational data and I have written a program that can do this. I am trying to work in conjunction with ALA so that they can then import this data. This would include saving the 50,000 records that haven't reached ALA in the last year and a bit. I hope the servers will stay on long enough but this could be done within a couple of weeks (the delay is because I can't work on it for a week). Records that have reached ALA should be safe already from permanent loss.

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  • Donna Tomkinson 18 May 2019
    Tagged With .
    Donna Tomkinson says

    Very sad. I would have to say that I learned an incredible amount from the Bowerbird site and from Ken Walker and this site has been a great resource.

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  • Kate Sandiford 22 May 2019
    Kate Sandiford says

    Regarding my last post, it's not easy to fix these things on Bowerbird. I got through ?5 Wood Duck sightings and gave up. But I will be there on the other side.

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  • David Akers 20 May 2019
    Tagged With transfers
    David Akers says

    Hi Gordon As we speak iNaturalist are transferring my Bowerbird sightings over to INat. Projects run a bit differently on iNaturalist, but one bonus is that you can explore spatial based areas via a map or you can search for sightings based on location. This makes projects of less importance compared to Bowerbird. I am not full familiar with how project work on iNaturalist but I think it might be possible to make one where records and/or different taxons can be automatically added to a project if they meet specified criteria e.g. locality.

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  • Reiner Richter 20 May 2019
    Tagged With saving data
    Reiner Richter says

    Regarding Rose Robin's comments: BowerBird will cost too much money to fix and I think costs $20k per year to lease the servers it runs on so not practical to retain if it can't be fixed. Users should migrate to iNaturalist.org if you want to continue to submit sightings - it offers the same features you are used to but the interface is not as "clean" so might be a bit overwhelming. Records from iNaturalist conditionally reach ALA too.

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